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    He signed with his hometown/childhood team, and there's nothing wrong with that...................but yeah, Tavares should have handled the UFA situation a lot better.

    But screw the Isles, too, they should've known something was up when he didn't sign an extension last summer. There is no reason he shouldn't have been traded at the deadline, if not sooner. If the guy is "wishy-washy" when discussing his future with the team, he's definitely leaning towards moving on, IMO.
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    Maybe he wasn't sure what he was doing back then and before he had looked at the offers. It's a process that actually has to happen before you know what the right decision is. He response above is just boilerplate good hockey guy garbage really. At the time was discussing an extension with them right? That was the only team he was allowed to talk to. Otherwise it would be tampering. He eventually moved on to a better offer after he was able to field them. Whatever. F them and their shit franchise. He would have stayed there if they weren't so hopelessly dysfunctional.

    He used FA correctly and to his advantage. More players should in the old school dumbly loyal hockey world. Whah about people being butthurt over something he said in January which was possibly true at the time, long before he knew his boyhood team (lol) would step up with a comparable offer. If a player makes it to FA then they are exploring it. That's how it should be and they had their chance to sign him long before that. Much more so than any other team did.

    If he used them to flesh out the basic numbers, which is one interpretation and not that he legitimately was considering staying, then that was he needed to do to get the best offer as a FA and the ends justify the means in a cut throat world. People are going to criticize whatever you do in that instance. If he was just 100% noncommittal robot, which I guess is how he should have been with the benefit of hindsight, then people would have skewered him for that too. Why wont he tip his hand and hurt his own negotiations!!

    Simmonds is going to say the same good guy shit up until he doesn't. That's how it goes.
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    Didn't Holmgren also do this in reverse to Carter and Richards? This is not new, something teams do as well...hockey is a business it's more important to put family first and that's what Tavares did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Schultz #8 View Post
    Are you going to tell your employer you will take them out of negotiations to get a pay raise?

    They were never ever an option. And he had plenty of suitors. That’s a dumb argument.
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    Gauthier played on Aube-Kubel's team, so they've seen him plenty of times. Hextall did seem to shift and touch his face when asked about Gauthier -- some would say it was a poker tell, although probably just a coincidence.
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    Ovenchicken held scoreless also so far.

    This is the kind of thing that will never ever let anyone take you seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snapdad View Post
    Maybe he wasn't sure what he was doing back then and before he had looked at the offers. It's a process that actually has to happen before you know what the right decision is. He response above is just boilerplate good hockey guy garbage really. At the time was discussing an extension with them right? That was the only team he was allowed to talk to. Otherwise it would be tampering. He eventually moved on to a better offer after he was able to field them. Whatever. F them and their shit franchise. He would have stayed there if they weren't so hopelessly dysfunctional.

    He used FA correctly and to his advantage. More players should in the old school dumbly loyal hockey world. Whah about people being butthurt over something he said in January which was possibly true at the time, long before he knew his boyhood team (lol) would step up with a comparable offer. If a player makes it to FA then they are exploring it. That's how it should be and they had their chance to sign him long before that. Much more so than any other team did.

    If he used them to flesh out the basic numbers, which is one interpretation and not that he legitimately was considering staying, then that was he needed to do to get the best offer as a FA and the ends justify the means in a cut throat world. People are going to criticize whatever you do in that instance. If he was just 100% noncommittal robot, which I guess is how he should have been with the benefit of hindsight, then people would have skewered him for that too. Why wont he tip his hand and hurt his own negotiations!!

    Simmonds is going to say the same good guy shit up until he doesn't. That's how it goes.
    What incentive would Tavares have to tell the Isles he's not interested? It only would reduce is negotiating leverage by taking on team out of the running.

    Also, FA provided him the opportunity to explore different teams vs just getting shipped off to some team willing to trade the right assets. The NHL is a business, not a charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by connera1 View Post
    What incentive would Tavares have to tell the Isles he's not interested? It only would reduce is negotiating leverage by taking on team out of the running.

    Also, FA provided him the opportunity to explore different teams vs just getting shipped off to some team willing to trade the right assets. The NHL is a business, not a charity.
    True and what's to say his mind was made up at that point that he was leaving? That's the assumption here and it doesn't make much sense since he didn't know what other options he had at that point. I think he was conflicted and had lots of friends there and reasons to stay. He was certainly comfortable remaining there if that's how it worked out. There is a lot of hindsight bias in criticising what he said in January before he had explored his options. It was probably a very close call and TO narrowly edged staying this summer after all the offers came in and he had concrete things to compare and ponder over. Nothing was decided in January other than they agreed to talk. They could have traded him in February if the talks didn't get results and they chose not to. They gambled and lost. Like you said it's a business and they clearly mismanaged the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by connera1 View Post
    What incentive would Tavares have to tell the Isles he's not interested? It only would reduce is negotiating leverage by taking on team out of the running.

    Also, FA provided him the opportunity to explore different teams vs just getting shipped off to some team willing to trade the right assets. The NHL is a business, not a charity.
    What, one team out of 30? LMAO.

    The whole thing was a fraud from the start. He was ALWAYS going to Toronto.

    There were teams who would have traded for his rights, signed him for ONE year at $15 million THEN extended him from there so in effect he could have got 8 years. He actually did Toronto a favor by playing the game he did with the "interviews" and keeping the Islanders dangling. They got him on the cheap, comparatively speaking. Didn't have to trade for his rights, etc.

    "Reduce leverage" Wow.

    And just for the record I couldn't care less that he chose where he wanted to go, that's his right and he earned it. But FLIP, et al are completely correct in their assertions that he screwed the Islanders.

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    Don’t care. Owners make money off of players using them and as assets. Waiving them, trading them, buying them out etc.

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    How did he know TO would even have the money let alone be willing to offer him that contract a full year in advance? He may have wanted to go there but if the numbers didn't make sense he wasn't.

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    Why tell them and strengthen a potential opponent down the line?
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