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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionBreath View Post
    Not true. Being in Tampa I happened to catch some Lighting games this season and one of the reasons they're having success is their overall team toughness. Even some of the smaller, skilled guys are not afraid to drop the gloves on a regular basis. The last game they beat Detroit on the scoreboard and also won a couple of fights. The Flyers don't play like that at all and it's one of the reasons they are losing.

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    Hmmmmm. A whole one more fight than the Flyers. They're the new bullies they are there ......

    "Regular basis"? Looks like it's the same regular basis as the Flyers fighting ......

    Try again.

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    To be fair the flyers did rack up 1/3 of their fights in one game last week.
    Quote Originally Posted by TherienLiesTheProblem View Post
    Gauthier played on Aube-Kubel's team, so they've seen him plenty of times. Hextall did seem to shift and touch his face when asked about Gauthier -- some would say it was a poker tell, although probably just a coincidence.
    Quote Originally Posted by EdmFlyersFan View Post
    Ovenchicken held scoreless also so far.

    This is the kind of thing that will never ever let anyone take you seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentj View Post
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    Hmmmmm. A whole one more fight than the Flyers. They're the new bullies they are there ......

    "Regular basis"? Looks like it's the same regular basis as the Flyers fighting ......

    Try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionBreath View Post
    Not true. Being in Tampa I happened to catch some Lighting games this season and one of the reasons they're having success is their overall team toughness. Even some of the smaller, skilled guys are not afraid to drop the gloves on a regular basis. The last game they beat Detroit on the scoreboard and also won a couple of fights. The Flyers don't play like that at all and it's one of the reasons they are losing.
    Yeah, Tampa wins because they fight guys like Larkin and Tatar. It has nothing to do with having the best goal differential in the league at +52, or having one of the best goalies in the league in Vasilevskiy, or having one of the best PP units in the league, or being the highest scoring team in the league. It's their 10 fights, that is what sets them apart.

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    The PK is the biggest thing, besides team toughness, that needs to be fixed. They have given up 31 goals short handed. The Top 10 teams in PK have given up 22 or less. That is easily costing us wins and points.

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    They are not contenders because the following could use some improvement:
    - secondary scoring (Patrick, Weal, Konecny have underachieved; Simmonds has not been as good as last year - add another total 10 to 15 goals between the four of them and you are in a playoff spot right now)
    - consistent goaltending (Elliott has played very well at times but still gives up too many bad goals; this position has been a problem for over a decade)
    - the lineup could desperately use some size, grit and toughness (I don't understand Hextall's mentality here)
    - penalty kill
    - questionable coaching tactics and decisions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yourtenderloins View Post
    Yeah, Tampa wins because they fight guys like Larkin and Tatar. It has nothing to do with having the best goal differential in the league at +52, or having one of the best goalies in the league in Vasilevskiy, or having one of the best PP units in the league, or being the highest scoring team in the league. It's their 10 fights, that is what sets them apart.
    This board's IQ level is sinking as fast as the DJIA is rising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLiP View Post
    Their defense has nothing to do with them not being a contender. I actually think it is a strength.
    Its definitely a strength of the roster but the team's inconsistency is driven by many factors. One of those is playing so many rookies on the blueline. I wouldn't have it any other way - they need to develop - but it's one of many different reasons they're not a contender this season, as your thread wants to discuss.

    Maybe you should have called the thread strengths of the roster if that's what you want to talk about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic View Post
    Its definitely a strength of the roster but the team's inconsistency is driven by many factors. One of those is playing so many rookies on the blueline. I wouldn't have it any other way - they need to develop - but it's one of many different reasons they're not a contender this season, as your thread wants to discuss.

    Maybe you should have called the thread strengths of the roster if that's what you want to talk about.

    I think the Flyers could go into the playoffs and be very successful with this blueline, if some of the actual flaws were fixed. Sorry, but it's not a reason why they are not a contender.

    Provorov is a stud and doing an amazing job carry #1 Minutes. Andrew MacDonald has been nothing short of a #2 Defensman, as he has been the last couple seasons. A legit top pairing is exactly what they are.

    Shayne Gostisbehere has settled in nicely as a quality #3. He produces the points needed from the blueline. If Defensman were actually noticed and rewarded for something other than their production Hagg would be a ROY candidate.

    Really, the only guy who stinks is Sanheim.
    Quote Originally Posted by TherienLiesTheProblem View Post
    Gauthier played on Aube-Kubel's team, so they've seen him plenty of times. Hextall did seem to shift and touch his face when asked about Gauthier -- some would say it was a poker tell, although probably just a coincidence.
    Quote Originally Posted by EdmFlyersFan View Post
    Ovenchicken held scoreless also so far.

    This is the kind of thing that will never ever let anyone take you seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yourtenderloins View Post
    Yeah, Tampa wins because they fight guys like Larkin and Tatar. It has nothing to do with having the best goal differential in the league at +52, or having one of the best goalies in the league in Vasilevskiy, or having one of the best PP units in the league, or being the highest scoring team in the league. It's their 10 fights, that is what sets them apart.
    Obviously I'm not suggesting that the talent level is anywhere close. Just making a general observation having watched both teams play this season. They get into scrums, finish checks, stand up for each other. Something that I haven't seen the Flyers do a lot in recent times. Just because this team plays wussy does not mean the entire league is the same way.

    If "team toughness" were an actual stat that could be measured, where would the Flyers rank? Top third, middle of the pack, or bottom third of the league?
    Last edited by OnionBreath; 01-09-2018 at 04:56 PM.

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